I Would Like To Buy a Vowel (Inside a C)
by Bennett Holzworth, (12 comments)

While perusing the aisles of the local grocery store, a similarity between a few of the products presented itself to me. Several diverse products, especially in the coffee area, had logotypes where the vowel of the letter was enclosed inside a capital “C”. These were all brands that I was familiar with, but I had never put them together. It made me think of a logo I had attempted to design just a year out of college. The company had the word “cookbook” in their name and I was automatically drawn to putting the “o” inside the “C”. The “C” offered the perfect space for that lowercase “o”, so it must be the correct place for it. It was as easy as that, or was it? Someone else ended up designing the logo, and my ventures in encapsulated vowels failed. I realized that to pull off this sort of thing, the designer would have to do it just right.
And before you continue reading, see if you can figure out what companies the above combinations belong to.

What also struck me in the grocery was the thought of appropriate uses for the treatment. Most of my initial associations with this treatment was that it had something to do with food. So I kept my eyes open for more examples. I even noticed that Coca-Cola could loosely fit in this category. Throw Corn Nuts in the mix as well. Then, a trip to my local book store shattered my concept of the treatment just being for edibles. Fast Company had successfully used this treatment, and I knew that there were many others that I was failing to think of. I then set out on a little more rigorous search for more examples.

o Inside C
Doing an informal search on Brands of the World yielded more examples, many of which had nothing to do with consumables and most of which were poorly done. I started encountering many of these logos that used san serif typefaces (which wasn’t very common in the grocery store). To the designers of these logos, it seems that the circular “o” or “a” inside the “C” was a good way to show technology or maybe a derivative of their product. I can see the wheels turning. “Hey, we sell pipe, lets put the ‘o’ inside the ‘C’ and it will look like a pipe.” This isn’t the worst concept in the world, but the examples of this working well, are few and far between.
One thing I also discovered while searching through hundreds of logos, was that this was not a common treatment. The opportunity would seem to present itself with any logo project that involved this combination of letters, but rarely did the designer partake in this indulgence. Is it just too hard to pull off? Did the designers just not see the opportunity? Do designers not like to mess around with making the tweaks necessary for this to work? Or, Did the designers realize that this should only be used in appropriate situations?

o Inside C (a few you probably won’t recognize)
So what is an appropriate situation for this kind of thing? The vowel inside the “C” does add a unique quality that isn’t going to be reproducible when someone uses your chosen logo typeface in Word. It obviously also adds some irregularity to the logotype. When used in a good way (and usually with a serif typeface) this irregularity often gives a feeling of authenticity. This is where I think it is best used in the grocery store. This adds one more home grown artifact to balance out the giant conglomerate sameness.

a Inside C
After doing my informal search I also realized that there were more successful uses of the “o” inside the “C” than the “a”. I guess it should have been fairly obvious that the “o” fits better inside the “C”.
Next time you design a logo for a cookie shop, coffee blend, local cafe, cookbook company, etc., make sure you weigh all of you options before implanting that vowel. Every vowel is important and has its place in our language. Is that place inside an uppercase “C”?

Comments (12)
Chris Rugen said:
I’m glad that you mentioned this because my wife and I have noticed an instance of less successful and very unfortunate ‘Ca’ nesting. We often buy Carapelli oil for cooking, and, particularly on the bottle, the ‘Ca’ nesting making their name at a glance read: ‘Crapelli’. Not such a good name for, well, anything.
Of course, we still buy the oil, so what does that say?
Posted on February 6, 2006
Douglas d'Aquino said:
OCP from Robocop? hahahahah
I never really looked at this.. but know that you mentioned this… oh my god…
thanks
Posted on February 6, 2006
Nate Voss said:
You know what? It’s actually really gross to look at all of those together like that. I’d be curious to get Typography Expert David Kadavy’s opinion on the decline of the counter-space in the letter C, though.
Posted on February 6, 2006
DC1974 said:
As someone whose name begins with a C — I think this might have something to do with the written word. Obviously, some of these logos are fairly old and maybe even hand lettered. The C in my signature (although I’ve changed this over time) began as something large and the next letter “h” usually fit into it or overlapped it. I don’t think this is because my 10-year-old mind (when I first started to sign my name) was already thinking ahead to my 30s when I’d be worried about kerning. But I maybe wrong.
Posted on February 6, 2006
Benito said:
Wondering whether this subscribes to some law of Gestalt. Maybe closure?
Posted on February 7, 2006
dboo said:
don’t forget those oh-so-lovable cubbies, tucking the whole team inside the big C….
http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/teamlogos/mlb/sml/trans/chc.gif
Posted on February 13, 2006
Dram_man said:
Interesitng post. I hate to sound like a raving moron, but I wonder if there is something subconcious/freudian about the thing. Does the “C” register as something that needs to be filled? I could be wrong, but how many other letters lend themselves to this? I cant recall seeing it with “K”, “S”, “R” or “Z” all of which have some sort of room. More over, and perhaps relating back to the Carpelli comment, would a consumer adversly react on a subconcious level if that “C” was not filled. One could come up with metaphors for the “C”, but I think you can read what I mean.
Simularly, have you ever noticed how many logo’s use the “P” to loom over the rest of the logo. Think Pirelli tires.
Posted on February 14, 2006
Ryon said:
Don’t forget The Colbert Report
Posted on February 15, 2006
David said:
Interesting observation — that all these logos have the nesting similarity. My guess is that it’s a purely visual choice to nest the letters, though, based on the designer’s need to get equal kerning throughout the logo. Other than overlapping, nesting is the only way to get a C to visually cooperate in u&lc unless you want to switch to all caps or all lower case letters.
Posted on February 15, 2006
Bennett said:
It is interesting to see who links to different posts. You never can tell what will strike someone as interesting.
This post was linked to by The Grocery List Collection a few days ago.
Posted on February 21, 2006
Anna said:
it’s really nothing special in my opinion, just a matter of kerning. The “C” being such an open faced letter just lends itself to tight kerning, think of how weird it would be if the letters weren’t so tight together. The gap would seem like a massive cavern and draw your eye in totally omitting the logo as a whole, it would seem like a mistake. I think the C in O phenomenon is just a case of logical design.
Posted on March 1, 2006
Bennett said:
Anna, If it was that natural to put the vowel inside the “C”, we would see it a lot more regularly. I challenge you to start looking at all of the logos that would lend themselves to this kind of setup and you will notice that most don’t take advantage of the tight kerning. You will also notice that there are many successful logos with a “C” and a vowel that don’t look like a mistake when they are not so tightly kerned. If anything this treatment looks tight and unnatural, since we aren’t used to the space inside the C being filled.
The number of unsuccessful examples above also show that it is not an easy thing to pull off. Like others have pointed out, it is something that harkens back to hand lettering. When it is not handled uniquely and skillfully it just looks out of place and forced.
Posted on March 1, 2006