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	<title>Comments on: Logo New(s) 6: TV, Sports &amp; Communication</title>
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		<title>By: Jesse Woodward</title>
		<link>http://www.beadesigngroup.com/blog/archives/2006/04/logo-news-6-tv-sports-communication.php/comment-page-1#comment-3165</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Woodward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly enough... Those pieces by Michael Doret don&#039;t do it at all for me either. Even without &quot;stupid gel effects&quot;. I mean, a few I can appreciate such as the Nicks logo, but some of them few really dated to me and not in the &quot;classic&quot; way.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough&#8230; Those pieces by Michael Doret don&#8217;t do it at all for me either. Even without &#8220;stupid gel effects&#8221;. I mean, a few I can appreciate such as the Nicks logo, but some of them few really dated to me and not in the &#8220;classic&#8221; way.</p>
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		<title>By: zj</title>
		<link>http://www.beadesigngroup.com/blog/archives/2006/04/logo-news-6-tv-sports-communication.php/comment-page-1#comment-3164</link>
		<dc:creator>zj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Daniel, go to Michael Doret&#039;s website. www.michaeldoret.com.

I guarantee there will be plenty of good logos there. And no stupid gel effects.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Daniel, go to Michael Doret&#8217;s website. <a href="http://www.michaeldoret.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.michaeldoret.com</a>.</p>
<p>I guarantee there will be plenty of good logos there. And no stupid gel effects.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about some examples of good logos? It&#039;s easy to criticize and with all the posts lately I&#039;m starting to wonder whether anyone actually has an acceptable logo anymore.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about some examples of good logos? It&#8217;s easy to criticize and with all the posts lately I&#8217;m starting to wonder whether anyone actually has an acceptable logo anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Bowler</title>
		<link>http://www.beadesigngroup.com/blog/archives/2006/04/logo-news-6-tv-sports-communication.php/comment-page-1#comment-3162</link>
		<dc:creator>Bowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dolphins Enterprises CEO Joe Bailey announced today a major repositioning of Dolphins Stadium.&quot;

I hope they have a big crane.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dolphins Enterprises CEO Joe Bailey announced today a major repositioning of Dolphins Stadium.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope they have a big crane.</p>
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		<title>By: J Underwood</title>
		<link>http://www.beadesigngroup.com/blog/archives/2006/04/logo-news-6-tv-sports-communication.php/comment-page-1#comment-3161</link>
		<dc:creator>J Underwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the new Travel Channel mark strikes me as the worst waste of time. The new mark doesn&#039;t communicate nearly as well as the old one.

How does it offend? Its got an overplayed swoosh element, and it downsized &quot;Travel&quot; and the globe element to place more emphasis on... &quot;channel&quot;? I think when its in the lower right of the TV, we&#039;ll figure out that its a channel on our own.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the new Travel Channel mark strikes me as the worst waste of time. The new mark doesn&#8217;t communicate nearly as well as the old one.</p>
<p>How does it offend? Its got an overplayed swoosh element, and it downsized &#8220;Travel&#8221; and the globe element to place more emphasis on&#8230; &#8220;channel&#8221;? I think when its in the lower right of the TV, we&#8217;ll figure out that its a channel on our own.</p>
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		<title>By: zj</title>
		<link>http://www.beadesigngroup.com/blog/archives/2006/04/logo-news-6-tv-sports-communication.php/comment-page-1#comment-3160</link>
		<dc:creator>zj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, by the way, PJ, I don&#039;t think logo design is completely dead so long as Michael Doret is still around. Man, this guy&#039;s work just kills me. Fantastic.

www.michaeldoret.com
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, by the way, PJ, I don&#8217;t think logo design is completely dead so long as Michael Doret is still around. Man, this guy&#8217;s work just kills me. Fantastic.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.michaeldoret.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.michaeldoret.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: zj</title>
		<link>http://www.beadesigngroup.com/blog/archives/2006/04/logo-news-6-tv-sports-communication.php/comment-page-1#comment-3159</link>
		<dc:creator>zj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, these logos are all lazy. 

They&#039;re all visual dead weight, the kind of thing you see when you&#039;re sitting in a parking lot waiting for your friend to come out of an appointment or a take-out restaurant and think - man, if the designer had only taken about 15 minutes more to clean this up, I wouldn&#039;t be sitting here pissed off at how ugly it is, wishing I could rip it off the sign, vehicle, or billboard and fix it.

Or maybe they all deserve an &quot;E&quot; for Effort. Maybe these were designers who were trying so hard to look trendy that they forgot all about composition, readability, and logic. 

Lots of dead space, not interesting to look at, and most of all, they don&#039;t make any statement about their clients besides: &quot;Look! A new logo!&quot;

Pew.

I dunno. Maybe mine are just as bad.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, these logos are all lazy. </p>
<p>They&#8217;re all visual dead weight, the kind of thing you see when you&#8217;re sitting in a parking lot waiting for your friend to come out of an appointment or a take-out restaurant and think &#8211; man, if the designer had only taken about 15 minutes more to clean this up, I wouldn&#8217;t be sitting here pissed off at how ugly it is, wishing I could rip it off the sign, vehicle, or billboard and fix it.</p>
<p>Or maybe they all deserve an &#8220;E&#8221; for Effort. Maybe these were designers who were trying so hard to look trendy that they forgot all about composition, readability, and logic. </p>
<p>Lots of dead space, not interesting to look at, and most of all, they don&#8217;t make any statement about their clients besides: &#8220;Look! A new logo!&#8221;</p>
<p>Pew.</p>
<p>I dunno. Maybe mine are just as bad.</p>
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		<title>By: JonSel</title>
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		<dc:creator>JonSel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Visually, I like the new Dolphin Stadium logo.  I suppose it&#039;s got a slightly swooshy quality to it and it reminds me a lot of Seaworld&#039;s logo (by Landor).  But, it&#039;s a dolphin, and it&#039;s otherwise nicely drawn.

The logotype is loaded with typographic inconsistency, though.  Even if you start with a regular typeface, you have to optimize the characters in a logotype to be of even color and weight.  There should be harmony throughout.  Let&#039;s start with the word &quot;Dolphin&quot;.  The D is too wide compared to the O, but that&#039;s nothing compared to the width of the N.  It looks like they adjusted the D and N to make the justified setting work, but they should have continued with the other letters.  The P&#039;s bowl and counter should have been larger as well.  In &quot;STADIUM&quot;, the same issue exists with the A.  That crossbar needs to be dropped.  Finally, the T is way too narrow.  I can&#039;t wait to see all of this in giant 40 foot tall signage letters.  Ick.

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Windstream&#039;s logo is also nicely done.  I think the overall identity would be stronger if they had capitalized Windstream.  It would feel less dot-com-like.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Visually, I like the new Dolphin Stadium logo.  I suppose it&#8217;s got a slightly swooshy quality to it and it reminds me a lot of Seaworld&#8217;s logo (by Landor).  But, it&#8217;s a dolphin, and it&#8217;s otherwise nicely drawn.</p>
<p>The logotype is loaded with typographic inconsistency, though.  Even if you start with a regular typeface, you have to optimize the characters in a logotype to be of even color and weight.  There should be harmony throughout.  Let&#8217;s start with the word &#8220;Dolphin&#8221;.  The D is too wide compared to the O, but that&#8217;s nothing compared to the width of the N.  It looks like they adjusted the D and N to make the justified setting work, but they should have continued with the other letters.  The P&#8217;s bowl and counter should have been larger as well.  In &#8220;STADIUM&#8221;, the same issue exists with the A.  That crossbar needs to be dropped.  Finally, the T is way too narrow.  I can&#8217;t wait to see all of this in giant 40 foot tall signage letters.  Ick.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Windstream&#8217;s logo is also nicely done.  I think the overall identity would be stronger if they had capitalized Windstream.  It would feel less dot-com-like.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 04:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least it looks like the people at Dolphins Stadium know how to hire a professional firm to get professional results (www.smebranding.com). Notice no bevels, swooshes, or the phenomenon know as &quot;BIGTYPE/littletype&quot;. 

Windstream looks like something from the introductory package at logoworks. Sorry, but it does.

And I agree with you P.J.. I look at TLC and can only hear my mom saying &quot;If everyone else jumped of the bridge would you do it too?....&quot;

And the Travel Channel... I cannot believe that got approved. What is that supposed to be? An orange plane circling a globe?.. no, wait, it&#039;s a letter....no, TWO letters.. a T and a C... ughhh. That thing has no fit in any of the Discovery brands.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least it looks like the people at Dolphins Stadium know how to hire a professional firm to get professional results (www.smebranding.com). Notice no bevels, swooshes, or the phenomenon know as &#8220;BIGTYPE/littletype&#8221;. </p>
<p>Windstream looks like something from the introductory package at logoworks. Sorry, but it does.</p>
<p>And I agree with you P.J.. I look at TLC and can only hear my mom saying &#8220;If everyone else jumped of the bridge would you do it too?&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>And the Travel Channel&#8230; I cannot believe that got approved. What is that supposed to be? An orange plane circling a globe?.. no, wait, it&#8217;s a letter&#8230;.no, TWO letters.. a T and a C&#8230; ughhh. That thing has no fit in any of the Discovery brands.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Woodward</title>
		<link>http://www.beadesigngroup.com/blog/archives/2006/04/logo-news-6-tv-sports-communication.php/comment-page-1#comment-3156</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Woodward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 04:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow... that travel T is just plain awesome. I mean, with the swoosh it just has SO MUCH MOTION, and feels dynamic. it&#039;s like you are actually travelling the world with it! *Sarcasm*

How can you go wrong with swooshes these days!

*Sigh*
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; that travel T is just plain awesome. I mean, with the swoosh it just has SO MUCH MOTION, and feels dynamic. it&#8217;s like you are actually travelling the world with it! *Sarcasm*</p>
<p>How can you go wrong with swooshes these days!</p>
<p>*Sigh*</p>
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