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	<title>Comments on: Gig Posters . . . Were We Invited to the Party?</title>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow... I&#039;m a musician in need of someone to create gig posters and instead of finding that, I get routed to a heap of wax philosophy about whether this is bad or good for business. Art vs business vs art vs busienss.

ZzzzzZZZzzzzZZZ

You either create or you don&#039;t.

If you want to eat and you love what you do, this is a no brainer.  If you&#039;d rather wear clothes from salvation army for the rest of your life, you can opt to stand up for indie cred and only choose projects that bring meaning to your work. In that case, you&#039;ll end up doing nothing because someone, somewhere will always have a problem with your choices.

In the meantime, if anyone actually WANTS to work. give me a shout.

I&#039;m off in search of doers...


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; I&#8217;m a musician in need of someone to create gig posters and instead of finding that, I get routed to a heap of wax philosophy about whether this is bad or good for business. Art vs business vs art vs busienss.</p>
<p>ZzzzzZZZzzzzZZZ</p>
<p>You either create or you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>If you want to eat and you love what you do, this is a no brainer.  If you&#8217;d rather wear clothes from salvation army for the rest of your life, you can opt to stand up for indie cred and only choose projects that bring meaning to your work. In that case, you&#8217;ll end up doing nothing because someone, somewhere will always have a problem with your choices.</p>
<p>In the meantime, if anyone actually WANTS to work. give me a shout.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m off in search of doers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BAMm</title>
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		<dc:creator>BAMm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;WWRGD?&lt;/b&gt;

*(What Would Rick Griffin Do?)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://users.rio.com/bamm/illustrationISM/port.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mark jaquette&lt;/a&gt; @ 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://users.rio.com/bamm/illustrationISM/others.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ILLUSTRATIONism&lt;/a&gt; &amp; 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://users.rio.com/bamm/BAMmGRAPHICS/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BAMm&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>WWRGD?</b></p>
<p>*(What Would Rick Griffin Do?)</p>
<p><a href="http://users.rio.com/bamm/illustrationISM/port.html" rel="nofollow">mark jaquette</a> @<br />
<a href="http://users.rio.com/bamm/illustrationISM/others.html" rel="nofollow">ILLUSTRATIONism</a> &#038;<br />
<a href="http://users.rio.com/bamm/BAMmGRAPHICS/index.html" rel="nofollow">BAMm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lawton Chiles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawton Chiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 22:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remeber the glory days of print and poster design, the late 60&#039;s and early 70&#039;s man. 



I mean, remember the whole San Fran scene? Laurel Canyon? 



It&#039;s only rock and roll but I like it. 



Being as i&quot;m new to graphic design, being able to design some of these really beautiful, intricate posters would be awesome.



On the other hand, everyone copies eachother.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remeber the glory days of print and poster design, the late 60&#8217;s and early 70&#8217;s man. </p>
<p>I mean, remember the whole San Fran scene? Laurel Canyon? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s only rock and roll but I like it. </p>
<p>Being as i&#8221;m new to graphic design, being able to design some of these really beautiful, intricate posters would be awesome.</p>
<p>On the other hand, everyone copies eachother.</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...I&#039;ve calculated it...I make about 3.2 dollars and hour doing posters for the venues I do them for. Devalue design? Please!!! Are there not many other places we se design today, that effect more people, and that we can take issue with?



So let&#039;s see...and illustrator/designer trying to scrape by with a few band posters...or someone doing a huge promotion for say a large shoe company with 9 year old sweatshop workers...hmmm I just can figure out which camp to come down on...



Face it, you might just be a failed artist who is hidding behind &quot;design&quot; as an artform.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;I&#8217;ve calculated it&#8230;I make about 3.2 dollars and hour doing posters for the venues I do them for. Devalue design? Please!!! Are there not many other places we se design today, that effect more people, and that we can take issue with?</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s see&#8230;and illustrator/designer trying to scrape by with a few band posters&#8230;or someone doing a huge promotion for say a large shoe company with 9 year old sweatshop workers&#8230;hmmm I just can figure out which camp to come down on&#8230;</p>
<p>Face it, you might just be a failed artist who is hidding behind &#8220;design&#8221; as an artform.</p>
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		<title>By: Janesatool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janesatool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll do whatever I can to keep art alive, even if it means doing a gig poster for cheap.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll do whatever I can to keep art alive, even if it means doing a gig poster for cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: Al aka El Negro Magnifico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al aka El Negro Magnifico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 01:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;My objection is pointed squarely at the few vocal people in this thread that seem to think making something cool automatically makes you a designer.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
I haven&#039;t got that impression from anyone, personally.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;My objection is pointed squarely at the few vocal people in this thread that seem to think making something cool automatically makes you a designer.&#8221;</i><br />
I haven&#8217;t got that impression from anyone, personally.</p>
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		<title>By: Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waterman, This post has set a new record for us as far as comments go ... and having good discussions is actually one of the main goals of this site. While it is obvious that we had a good amount of new visitors from this post, we are not even on pace for a record month as far as unique visits. We have been around for over two years now and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.beadesigngroup.com/blog/archives/news/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this is not the first time we have been recognized&lt;/a&gt;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waterman, This post has set a new record for us as far as comments go &#8230; and having good discussions is actually one of the main goals of this site. While it is obvious that we had a good amount of new visitors from this post, we are not even on pace for a record month as far as unique visits. We have been around for over two years now and <a href="http://www.beadesigngroup.com/blog/archives/news/" rel="nofollow">this is not the first time we have been recognized</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Waterman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your ploy worked...I think the world is aware of your site now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your ploy worked&#8230;I think the world is aware of your site now.</p>
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		<title>By: Robynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Adrian: Thanks for clarifying. There&#039;s no denying that posters typically come with more creative freedom than other types of design projects. And I hear what you are saying about design being more than &quot;whatever you want&quot;, but....... I disagree with that statement also. I think it&#039;s possible to attract clients that don&#039;t art direct because they trust the designer/artist/illustrator they are hiring. This happens after a sizable body of work has been built. Personally, I won&#039;t do a poster unless that groundwork is laid out at the start. That&#039;s not to say I haven&#039;t had a few posters rejected, but then I will start over with the same guidelines that I&#039;m not art directed. I&#039;m still providing my take (or solution). It is still design. Referring back to my original post I will simply state that the separation between graphic design and art is not so black and white for me, and I like it when the &quot;boundaries&quot; are blurred because when the day is over, labels (is it art? is it design? etc) don&#039;t really matter. The work that is most appealing to me is when I can hear the voice of the designer - and that works the same for Dog Food Annual Reports or Pizza Hut ads.

Okay, I think I&#039;m done  :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Adrian: Thanks for clarifying. There&#8217;s no denying that posters typically come with more creative freedom than other types of design projects. And I hear what you are saying about design being more than &#8220;whatever you want&#8221;, but&#8230;&#8230;. I disagree with that statement also. I think it&#8217;s possible to attract clients that don&#8217;t art direct because they trust the designer/artist/illustrator they are hiring. This happens after a sizable body of work has been built. Personally, I won&#8217;t do a poster unless that groundwork is laid out at the start. That&#8217;s not to say I haven&#8217;t had a few posters rejected, but then I will start over with the same guidelines that I&#8217;m not art directed. I&#8217;m still providing my take (or solution). It is still design. Referring back to my original post I will simply state that the separation between graphic design and art is not so black and white for me, and I like it when the &#8220;boundaries&#8221; are blurred because when the day is over, labels (is it art? is it design? etc) don&#8217;t really matter. The work that is most appealing to me is when I can hear the voice of the designer &#8211; and that works the same for Dog Food Annual Reports or Pizza Hut ads.</p>
<p>Okay, I think I&#8217;m done  <img src='http://www.beadesigngroup.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify, I am joking with Seripop, and serious with you, Robynne. I have never seen Seripop&#039;s work. If I had to guess, I suspect it has much more in common with good design than his &quot;Dude, I&#039;m awesome&quot; attitude leads us to believe. It is the ATTITUDE I am responding to. I never said anything about doing &quot;highly personal work.&quot; I simply said that design is more than just doing whatever you want. If we can&#039;t agree on that simple statement, I don&#039;t see any hope of finding common ground in this thread.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify, I am joking with Seripop, and serious with you, Robynne. I have never seen Seripop&#8217;s work. If I had to guess, I suspect it has much more in common with good design than his &#8220;Dude, I&#8217;m awesome&#8221; attitude leads us to believe. It is the ATTITUDE I am responding to. I never said anything about doing &#8220;highly personal work.&#8221; I simply said that design is more than just doing whatever you want. If we can&#8217;t agree on that simple statement, I don&#8217;t see any hope of finding common ground in this thread.</p>
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