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		<title>By: Joe Moran</title>
		<link>http://www.beadesigngroup.com/blog/archives/2006/08/why-do-we-tolerate-difficult-designers.php/comment-page-1#comment-3861</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I subscribe to a daily e-newsletter about advertising called the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smartbrief.com/alchemy/servlet/encodeServlet?issueid=882D467A-6153-4266-9D85-4F2EFC208D73&amp;lmid=sample&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AAF Smart Brief.&lt;/a&gt; Its quite interesting. 

This post made me remember something I just saw about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/careers/bal-bz.wk.maintenance06sep06,0,4561403.story?coll=bal-business-headlines&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Office Divas&quot;&lt;/a&gt; and how they get some slack if they contribute to a companies bottom line. I think they should get smacked on *their* bottom line for being such BEE-AH-CHEZ, but apparently they are tolerated in certain circles and even admired (by weasels, I assume).

Just another perspective of what words are worth.

Respectfully,
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I subscribe to a daily e-newsletter about advertising called the <a href="http://www.smartbrief.com/alchemy/servlet/encodeServlet?issueid=882D467A-6153-4266-9D85-4F2EFC208D73&#038;lmid=sample" rel="nofollow">AAF Smart Brief.</a> Its quite interesting. </p>
<p>This post made me remember something I just saw about <a href="http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/careers/bal-bz.wk.maintenance06sep06,0,4561403.story?coll=bal-business-headlines" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Office Divas&#8221;</a> and how they get some slack if they contribute to a companies bottom line. I think they should get smacked on *their* bottom line for being such BEE-AH-CHEZ, but apparently they are tolerated in certain circles and even admired (by weasels, I assume).</p>
<p>Just another perspective of what words are worth.</p>
<p>Respectfully,</p>
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		<title>By: Troy Kadavy</title>
		<link>http://www.beadesigngroup.com/blog/archives/2006/08/why-do-we-tolerate-difficult-designers.php/comment-page-1#comment-3860</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy Kadavy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work for an agency called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.affinitas.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Affinitas&lt;/a&gt; and the Art Director I replaced was allowed to go to a different firm in KS for this very reason.  The creative director at the time said...&quot;We could have counter offered, but he just wasn&#039;t worth it.&quot;

That shed a bit of light on the topic for me.  I&#039;ve dealt with a variety of clients, designers and photographers... all of which have their own personalities... it really gets down to if it&#039;s appropriate for the atmosphere your in and your clients your in charge of. 

I personally don&#039;t see anything wrong with being confident.  Being arrogant however shows that you believe that you have become the best in your given element.  Waiting for this type to change or accept alternative ideas is easily compared to waiting for a train that simply doesn&#039;t come.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for an agency called <a href="http://www.affinitas.net" rel="nofollow">Affinitas</a> and the Art Director I replaced was allowed to go to a different firm in KS for this very reason.  The creative director at the time said&#8230;&#8221;We could have counter offered, but he just wasn&#8217;t worth it.&#8221;</p>
<p>That shed a bit of light on the topic for me.  I&#8217;ve dealt with a variety of clients, designers and photographers&#8230; all of which have their own personalities&#8230; it really gets down to if it&#8217;s appropriate for the atmosphere your in and your clients your in charge of. </p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t see anything wrong with being confident.  Being arrogant however shows that you believe that you have become the best in your given element.  Waiting for this type to change or accept alternative ideas is easily compared to waiting for a train that simply doesn&#8217;t come.</p>
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		<title>By: hdw</title>
		<link>http://www.beadesigngroup.com/blog/archives/2006/08/why-do-we-tolerate-difficult-designers.php/comment-page-1#comment-3859</link>
		<dc:creator>hdw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating discussions on this site.  I&#039;m not actually as arrogant as my first comment might suggest, but I do stand up for my work.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating discussions on this site.  I&#8217;m not actually as arrogant as my first comment might suggest, but I do stand up for my work.</p>
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		<title>By: alwaystheleo</title>
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		<dc:creator>alwaystheleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it becomes a major challenge for any successful designer to remain humble. 
The better we get as designers, the more critical we become. 
The ability to criticize and have discussions on what is good design, and what is bad design inevitable overflows into all other areas of our lives, until we our even having critical discussions on what is good personality and what is bad personality.
This is what is often viewed as arrogance by people outside of the design community.

Not that people outside of design don&#039;t do this as well, but ‚Ä¶ you get my point.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it becomes a major challenge for any successful designer to remain humble.<br />
The better we get as designers, the more critical we become.<br />
The ability to criticize and have discussions on what is good design, and what is bad design inevitable overflows into all other areas of our lives, until we our even having critical discussions on what is good personality and what is bad personality.<br />
This is what is often viewed as arrogance by people outside of the design community.</p>
<p>Not that people outside of design don&#8217;t do this as well, but ‚Ä¶ you get my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Hardacre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Hardacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been working for a web company for three years now who are mainly concerned with the development and functionality of sites as opposed to the design.

Having grown up with a pen and paper practically glued to my hand, my mind (and eye) has often wandered into the world of design, which I honestly did think was full of arrogant people. I&#039;m glad to say after taking a closer look, my view has been completely reversed and I find myself wanting to know more and more about this industry.

I have come across some arrogant designers on my travels but for the most part, this industry seems to be in a catagory of it&#039;s own, full of people who share their ideas rather than keeping them close to the chest for personal gain. Mr. Cameron Moll is a prime example in my book.

From the point of view of an outsider (I am very much an outsider at the moment) there is a subtle difference between being confident and taking pride in work you have produced, and being arrogant. It all depends on how the designer puts him/herself across. Screaming &quot;Look at me, I&#039;m amazing!&quot; from the rooftops is a clear indication that someone&#039;s been overfeeding their ego. The approach of &quot;Here&#039;s my latest work, I think it rules, but what do you think?&quot; seems to work best.

Have I made a valid point? I don&#039;t know, I shall leave it to you good people to decide.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been working for a web company for three years now who are mainly concerned with the development and functionality of sites as opposed to the design.</p>
<p>Having grown up with a pen and paper practically glued to my hand, my mind (and eye) has often wandered into the world of design, which I honestly did think was full of arrogant people. I&#8217;m glad to say after taking a closer look, my view has been completely reversed and I find myself wanting to know more and more about this industry.</p>
<p>I have come across some arrogant designers on my travels but for the most part, this industry seems to be in a catagory of it&#8217;s own, full of people who share their ideas rather than keeping them close to the chest for personal gain. Mr. Cameron Moll is a prime example in my book.</p>
<p>From the point of view of an outsider (I am very much an outsider at the moment) there is a subtle difference between being confident and taking pride in work you have produced, and being arrogant. It all depends on how the designer puts him/herself across. Screaming &#8220;Look at me, I&#8217;m amazing!&#8221; from the rooftops is a clear indication that someone&#8217;s been overfeeding their ego. The approach of &#8220;Here&#8217;s my latest work, I think it rules, but what do you think?&#8221; seems to work best.</p>
<p>Have I made a valid point? I don&#8217;t know, I shall leave it to you good people to decide.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Jeffryes</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Jeffryes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talented people with passion are often arrogant.

Unfortunately, this leads to people thinking all arrogant people are talented and passionate.

It&#039;s like assuming a Ferrari is a great car because the paint is red. Painting another car red won&#039;t make it a Ferrari.

Buy a Farrari. Fire the red paint.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talented people with passion are often arrogant.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this leads to people thinking all arrogant people are talented and passionate.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like assuming a Ferrari is a great car because the paint is red. Painting another car red won&#8217;t make it a Ferrari.</p>
<p>Buy a Farrari. Fire the red paint.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Tobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more with your post. Designers should be first and foremost professionals, not spoiled brats.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more with your post. Designers should be first and foremost professionals, not spoiled brats.</p>
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		<title>By: Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.beadesigngroup.com/blog/archives/2006/08/why-do-we-tolerate-difficult-designers.php/comment-page-1#comment-3854</link>
		<dc:creator>Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I&#039;m getting pretty close to personal attacks on this one, but it&#039;s hard to make this point without examples. When Carson pulled stunts at regional and local events I don&#039;t see it as a personal attack but attacking his professional behavior. I haven&#039;t heard much about Carson in the last several years, so it is entirely possible that he has changed his ways. I&#039;ve heard first-hand-accounts of several stunts he pulled on small local AIGA chapters. Here are a couple examples. . . he pulled out of a major local AIGA chapter event the day before without a good excuse and he has also skipped sessions he was supposed to be leading when he was flown out to a location.



As for other examples of what I am talking about, I will be a little more general. First off, confidence is a very good thing as is sticking to your guns. This profession needs push-overs as much as it does arrogant pricks. I&#039;m just pointing out that being a decent human being is also a very important part of being a good designer. We may know more about design and aesthetics than our clients, but we shouldn&#039;t act like we are better people. 



The other part of this post is directed at those designers that turn heated and interesting blog conversations into a forum for personal attacks. I&#039;m not making it my mission to censor those people on this blog or anywhere else, I just wanted to make a point to encourage others to be a little more civil. It would also be nice to see some other blogs not celebrate those that are the worst offenders.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m getting pretty close to personal attacks on this one, but it&#8217;s hard to make this point without examples. When Carson pulled stunts at regional and local events I don&#8217;t see it as a personal attack but attacking his professional behavior. I haven&#8217;t heard much about Carson in the last several years, so it is entirely possible that he has changed his ways. I&#8217;ve heard first-hand-accounts of several stunts he pulled on small local AIGA chapters. Here are a couple examples. . . he pulled out of a major local AIGA chapter event the day before without a good excuse and he has also skipped sessions he was supposed to be leading when he was flown out to a location.</p>
<p>As for other examples of what I am talking about, I will be a little more general. First off, confidence is a very good thing as is sticking to your guns. This profession needs push-overs as much as it does arrogant pricks. I&#8217;m just pointing out that being a decent human being is also a very important part of being a good designer. We may know more about design and aesthetics than our clients, but we shouldn&#8217;t act like we are better people. </p>
<p>The other part of this post is directed at those designers that turn heated and interesting blog conversations into a forum for personal attacks. I&#8217;m not making it my mission to censor those people on this blog or anywhere else, I just wanted to make a point to encourage others to be a little more civil. It would also be nice to see some other blogs not celebrate those that are the worst offenders.</p>
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		<title>By: newbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>newbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What did David Carson do?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did David Carson do?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SHUT UP I HATE YOU ALL. 

just kidding.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SHUT UP I HATE YOU ALL. </p>
<p>just kidding.</p>
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